Comments on: Op-Ed: Horror Or Dark Fantasy – What is it exactly? http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/ Australian dark fiction news and reviews Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:33:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1 By: Writerly news « Vampires in the Sunburnt Country http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-33 Fri, 09 Mar 2012 04:59:49 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-33 […] news has hit the interwebs. The blog also posted an excellent piece on the difference between horror and dark fantasy […]

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By: Alan Baxter http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-22 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:55:54 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-22 Thanks Jason – great insight.

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By: Andrew McKiernan http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-20 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:29:32 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-20 I really like some of your thinking, there Jason. Especially that ‘Horror’ isn’t really a genre. It’s the only genre named after a feeling or an emotion. Everything else is act or setting: crime, fantasy, SF, western, romance even. None of the other genres try and tell a reader what they should feel, and that, to me, makes Horror a strange one when compared to the rest.

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By: SF Tidbits for 3/5/12 - SF Signal – A Speculative Fiction Blog http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-19 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:33:34 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-19 […] Alan Baxter on Horror Or Dark Fantasy – What is it exactly? […]

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By: Jason Franks http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-18 Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:06:46 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-18 This is a bit of a hobby-horse topic for me, so I’ll try to be brief. By now it’s days after Alan’s article was first posted and probably nobody is reading anyway, which is probably for the best…

I’m like Andrew, in that I don’t usually think about genre when I start writing–I find a story and I just go for it. Usually, but not always, they come out pretty dark. More often than not there’s a blend of genres, but sometimes it’s straight up SF, crime, fantasy, historical fiction, or even social realism. (I dislike the term ‘literary fiction’).

You’ll notice that I didn’t include horror in there, although I believe that most of it counts as horror–indeed, I’ve published four volumes of an out-and-out horror anthology. I guess my position is that I’m not convinced that horror is a genre–or, if it is, it’s orthogonal to most other genres.

Horror, as Alan pointed out in the main article, is a feeling. I think that most of the horror stories we talk about are actually stories from other genres (most often fantasy or crime) that are just told with an emphasis on evoking horror.

ALIEN is a great science fiction movie that’s steeped in horror.

I think comedy is another genre that’s orthogonal in the same way. HITCHHIKER’S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY, is, likewise, a great science fiction novel that’s steeped in comedy.

Often horror fiction is very funny, and of course comedies can be equally horrifying. Look at EVIL DEAD 2 for a terrific example of the former, or, say, VERY BAD THINGS as a not-so-good example of the latter. Or HITCHHIKER’S GUIDE, which in its own way has quite a frightening outlook on things.

As I mentioned on facebook to some of the guys here, my comedy graphic novel from 2010 is categorized as horror because it’s about devil worshipers, but if you actually read it, it’s a lot closer to THE SIMPSONS than to ROSEMARY’S BABY.

Okay, so, I’m not saying that horror is not a genre, or that horror is comedy, or anything so severe; I’m just trying to express what I think is an interesting (and not specially original) way to look at it. Genre is a very plastic term. Genre boundaries change. Sometimes the slide across different ‘media’. Sometimes people deny that such things exist, or insist that the boundaries are particularly rigid.

For me, I feel as if my home is in the so-called genres, but I resent anybody who thinks that means that this is cause for snobbery, or that this cheapens the work I do outside what is considered genre. I believe that every story–EVERY STORY–falls into a genre of one description or another.

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By: Alan Baxter http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-14 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:05:18 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-14 Interesting comments – thanks for weighing in, all. I usually tell people I’m a “dark speculative fiction” writer, but that almost always leads to, “What’s that?”

*sigh*

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By: Felicity Dowker http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-13 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:58:43 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-13 I pretty much agree with everything Andy said. I prefer the term “horror” and it’s the term I use, although I do adjust this sometimes to suit the person I’m speaking to. For me, horror encompasses a helluva lot of things, which is the beauty of it – but having said that, I can understand why others may prefer to drill down into the genre by attaching labels to its sub-genres, such as “dark fantasy”, etc. I don’t set out to write horror, I just set out to write; but most of my stuff turns out to be horror, and I’m very proud of that. I’m also ok with simply using the term “dark” to describe the nature of a piece…for me that means horror, anyway.

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By: Stacey http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-11 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 04:09:58 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-11 Andrew you made me laugh, urban horror indeed! (Or trying to find a park at a shopping centre at Christmas time). I suppose I worry that readers will scoff at the “scariness” of my stories, given that most of my horror is quite subtle (or may not be at all understandable to some readers). I should probably stop worrying about what other people think though. ;)

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By: Cat Sheely http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-10 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 01:39:38 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-10 I’m a bit like Stacey in that the themes of my writing are often dark and I go on to explore where that leads. I agree that the protagonists should be recognised as normal everyday people who find themselves in frightening situations. This way the reader empathises with them and shares their trials and tribulations and the often awful places that leaves them. But if there has to be a definition, I think ‘horror’ covers. I certainly wouldn’t be able to define any of Clive Barker’s works other than horror as they are so multi-faceted.

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By: Greg Chapman http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/op-ed-horror-or-dark-fantasy-what-is-it-exactly/#comment-8 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:42:11 +0000 http://www.thirteenoclock.com.au/?p=178#comment-8 I’ll admit that my work is in the horror genre, but the horror aspects are mostly secondary to the tale. Horror and terror are our most primal instincts – linked to survival and is an emotion that surfaces when we are most vulnerable. I find that horror allows you to say more about the human condition than any other emotion. Regardless of what category your story may be in the end it’s the story and the characters within that matter.

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